You say that the pairing of helena wayne and richard grayson borders on incest. How so,and how was there relationship on the pre crisis dcu?
Helena Wayne/Dick Grayson borders on incest because they were both raised by Bruce Wayne and have grown to see each other more as siblings.
In the original Golden Age/Earth-2 continuity, Bruce raised Dick since he was 8 years and remained a part of his family even after Bruce married Selina and fathered Helena. By the time Helena was born, Dick was already 25 years old. In addition to helping to take care of Helena as an infant, he had also been a part of her childhood up until he moved overseas to work as a diplomat. Also in contrast with the mainstream version of Dick, the Earth-2 version thought of Bruce as a father to the point of being staunchly loyal to him, even being willing to go up against Helena in a court of law in his defence during the events of America vs The Justice Society.
All that into account, it feels really awkward for Dick to start having sexual feelings for a woman he has known and took care of as an infant. Fortunately, Helena was already an adult by the time he started seeing her under a different light, but it doesn’t make it feel any less weird. Throughout the pre-Crisis continuity it’s been hinted that Dick still harboured feelings for Helena but neither one acted on those feelings. The idea of these two characters actually being in love with each other wasn’t explicitly acknowledged until the post-Crisis continuity when Geoff Johns wrote the Earth-2 story arc in the JSA Annual of 2008. But even then, it didn’t feel like a natural development for both characters.
Oh Newsarama, you disappoint.
Anyone with any shred of Batman knowledge knows that Damian Wayne is not—by a long shot—the first to raise the question: ‘What would it be like for Batman to be a father?’
Throughout Bruce Wayne’s history (prior to the New 52 anyway), the very first ‘son’ that he raised was Dick Grayson, who turned out very well in adulthood. If you go way back into the history of the character, he originally raised Dick since he was 8 years old to adulthood. In the post-Crisis history, he also raised two more sons before the arrival of Damian: Jason Todd and Tim Drake.
On the front of Bruce Wayne being a biological father, that too was already explored with Helena Wayne who was his canonical daughter from 1977-1986 prior to her revival in 2005, and her full reinstatement in the New 52. He was literally there from the time she was conceived to the time she graduated college with her law degree. He raised this young woman from the day she was born to the day she left the nest (oh yes, I went there) and established both a career for herself and her superhero identity. All in all, history has consistently told us since 1940 that Bruce has never been a bad parent.
Long story short, Damian Wayne is not the originator of Batman being a father nor is he the first canonical child he’s had. At best, he was the first canonical biological son he’s had in the mainstream continuity, and at best he raises the question of what it would be like for Bruce Wayne to be the father of Talia Al Ghul’s baby.
[Edit]: For the record, I didn’t forget the fact that Bruce also adopted and raised Cassandra Cain. I was specifically answering the question posed by Newsarama about ‘how Bruce would be as a father, and what kind of son he would raise.’ Since the focus seems to be on the fact that Damian is Bruce’s biological child, I felt it was worth noting he had a biological child before him, who happened to be a woman. Just making that clear!
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Ah, romance. This took forever to do a write-up on and Helena Wayne has had only three love interests tops. The write-up itself also turned out considerably longer than I anticipated, but then…I’ll proof read it later to take out some extra words.
That being said, Helena’s love life can be summed up in three words: it bloody sucks!
I’M YOUR KID | How Helena Wayne introduced herself to Earth-1 Bruce.
OWNED | How Earth-1 Dick introduced himself to Helena Wayne.
BREAKING & ENTERING | How Helena Wayne met Earth-1 Bruce.
DICK GRAYSON & HELENA WAYNE | Paul Levitz and co shipped it in 1981.