Huntress and Robin @ SDCC 2014
Donnie and I were lucky enough to catch the fantastic floresfabrications and her little brother at SDCC this year. I had seen on tumblr they were going to be out in costume and mentioned to Donnie I wanted to catch them, and he just happened to spot them by the marvel booth. I have to give such props to these two for not only their costumes but their poses!
That is really awesome that you got to meet them Morgan. floresfabrications does wonderful cosplay! :)
Does anyone else feel that BATB episode where Catwoman and Batman get married and have Damian instead of Helena is kinda sexist? For obvious reasons?
It is very sexist. I specifically addressed that in this post right here, and that was not the only way the show contributed to Helena Wayne’s invisibility.
The show also based their version of Helena Bertinelli on the pre-Crisis Helena Wayne instead of her actual comic book counterpart. From the use of her pre-Crisis costume to the way she was presented in her civilian form, to the courses she taught at Gotham U (she taught law, and law was Wayne’s profession), right down to the personality traits that were more associated with the pre-Crisis Helena Wayne than the post-Crisis Helena Bertinelli. Even the comic book spin-off of the TV show heavily alluded to the pre-Crisis Wayne and even used characters that were originally part of Wayne’s supporting cast pre-Crisis.
Admittedly though, this didn’t upset me as much as the reattributing of Helena Wayne’s origin to Damian which was largely based off of the Secret Origin of the Huntress written by Paul Levitz in 1977. Even some of the scenes from the episode where directly replicated from that comic.
I answered that in this post, but I’ll repost the relevant paragraph here:
On the front of media representation, there has been an overwhelming lack of [Helena Wayne] in this area as well. To date, there have only been two appearances of the Helena Wayne version of the Huntress outside of the comics, one of which was [Legends of the Superheroes in 1979]. Her most recent appearance since then was in the short-lived Birds of Prey television series, which lasted from 2001 to 2002.
The closest we got to having a Helena Wayne in an animated TV series was in Batman Beyond which was ultimately scrapped, and in Batman: The Brave and the Bold, which was actually Helena Bertinelli in Helena Wayne’s pre-Crisis costume. Much of her development on this show was even based off of the pre-Crisis Helena Wayne far more than her actual comic book counterpart from the post-Crisis continuity. But swapping Helena Wayne for Helena Bertinelli was honestly the least insulting development that happened on the show.
By far the one that stabbed me the most in the heart was the reattributing of Helena Wayne’s origin to the character of Damian Wayne, who in the comics continuity, is actually the son of Talia Al Ghul and not Selina Kyle. Even though this was an ‘alternate universe story’ that Alfred cooked up within the show’s canon, it was also a story that heavily borrowed from The Secret Origin of the Huntress written by Paul Levitz in 1977.
And that about sums my feelings on that.
Damian being difficult.
Damian Wayne: Jakey
Helena Wayne: FloresFabrications
An AU where Damian and Helena met on more than one occasion and had a complex sibling relationship that eventually developed into one of love and respect. (You know, instead of one incredibly rushed arc. Also no graveyards.)
Oh Newsarama, you disappoint.
Anyone with any shred of Batman knowledge knows that Damian Wayne is not—by a long shot—the first to raise the question: ‘What would it be like for Batman to be a father?’
Throughout Bruce Wayne’s history (prior to the New 52 anyway), the very first ‘son’ that he raised was Dick Grayson, who turned out very well in adulthood. If you go way back into the history of the character, he originally raised Dick since he was 8 years old to adulthood. In the post-Crisis history, he also raised two more sons before the arrival of Damian: Jason Todd and Tim Drake.
On the front of Bruce Wayne being a biological father, that too was already explored with Helena Wayne who was his canonical daughter from 1977-1986 prior to her revival in 2005, and her full reinstatement in the New 52. He was literally there from the time she was conceived to the time she graduated college with her law degree. He raised this young woman from the day she was born to the day she left the nest (oh yes, I went there) and established both a career for herself and her superhero identity. All in all, history has consistently told us since 1940 that Bruce has never been a bad parent.
Long story short, Damian Wayne is not the originator of Batman being a father nor is he the first canonical child he’s had. At best, he was the first canonical biological son he’s had in the mainstream continuity, and at best he raises the question of what it would be like for Bruce Wayne to be the father of Talia Al Ghul’s baby.
[Edit]: For the record, I didn’t forget the fact that Bruce also adopted and raised Cassandra Cain. I was specifically answering the question posed by Newsarama about ‘how Bruce would be as a father, and what kind of son he would raise.’ Since the focus seems to be on the fact that Damian is Bruce’s biological child, I felt it was worth noting he had a biological child before him, who happened to be a woman. Just making that clear!