Hey! Big fan. I was creeping on your blog and, "after Paul Levitz decided that fridging Selina was an appropriate plot device for moving the story forward". Might agree I guess, but I thought this was just a part of the original Helena W story? Wasn't Selina killed off in the pre-Bert days as well?
Thanks! Glad you like it. :)
It was part of Helena’s pre-Crisis origin, yes. The difference, however, was in the way it was executed within the context of the narrative.
In the pre-Crisis version of her origin, Helena still benefitted from a well-rounded education but was never a costumed crime-fighter as a child like she was in the New 52 since both of her parents had retired from their costumed lifestyles by the time she was born. She also originally didn’t have any plans to take over the family business until after her mother died, and after she realised that her father wasn’t going to do anything about the guy who led her to her death since he had already moved past the ‘my parents are deaaaad’ stage of his life. By this point in his life, Bruce was about celebrating the positives of life rather than the negatives.
In the New 52 version of her origin, Helena’s parents were still active as Batman and Catwoman right until their very deaths. So killing Selina this time didn’t have the same weight on Helena’s development as it did pre-Crisis.
The other difference as well is that Selina had agency in her own death in the pre-Crisis version, something that she completely lacked in the New 52. In the pre-Crisis version, Selina was shown making a decision that ultimately led to her death. Admittedly the way it was handled back then was also a little bit cheap, but at least she had agency. In the New 52, she was just alive one minute, and literally dead the next. She wasn’t shown making any decisions, she wasn’t shown fighting for her life, or dying a heroic death like Bruce did in the first issue of Earth-2. She was just dead, that’s it. She was just there to force Helena into kill!rage mode, which felt lazy and forced.
Mind you, I wasn’t expecting Selina to survive the zero issue since she was already dead by the time Earth-2 made it’s debut, but I did expect Levitz to at least treat Selina with a lot more dignity and respect when writing her demise. He didn’t just kill Helena’s mother, he also killed an iconic DC Comics character. So in my, opinion, I felt she should have been given a more heroic death that was actually meaningful within the context of Helena’s New 52 origin instead of the lazy, uninspired version that we got.
just ordered myself a catwoman • I can’t contain myself •
Where did you find that decal? I want one!
Damn. I want to get this for my Macbook Pro.
[EDIT]: Found the link for purchase.
£11.49 is a bit pricey for a sticker, but considering what most other Apple products sell for….I can live with at.
Also it’s a non-sexualised version of Catwoman. Well worth the price I think.
New Trading Card Set Features the Women of DC Comics
Trading Card maker Cryptozoic is getting ready to ship its newest DC themed card collection and I’m sure it will be of interest to readers of this blog.
The set includes includes all original art (including several female artists, yay!). There are also original art sketch cards in 1 out every 24 packs. And it will have Katie Cook stickers in each pack. Here’s a look at some of the cards.
Art by Ryan Odagowa. Reminds me of this page by George Perez from Wonder Woman #600
Glad to see the Huntress (Helena Wayne) is in there as well. Now if only I can get Power Girl in here, then my life will be complete. :)
The Best of the Huntress: The Lion Roars At Midnight
Well, this is my last Mother’s Day post for the day…although it’s no longer that on my corner of the planet but for some of you it is.
Hopefully you guys have spent a wonderful Sunday with your mums, and hopefully you’ve let her know how important she’s been in your life. :)
For the love and honour of her own mother, here’s a pre-Crisis story about Helena Wayne beating up the guy who nearly killed her during her days as Catwoman. :)
Night everyone! Don’t be like me and stay up too late. ^^;
Hope everyone is enjoying a lovely mother’s day wherever you’re at.
To continue the celebration of DCU mums, here is Selina Kyle’s main theme from The Dark Knight Rises. :)
More to come later.
BATMAN AND CATWOMAN #22
- Written by PETER J. TOMASI
- Art by PATRICK GLEASON, MICK GRAY and J. CALAFIORE
- Cover by PATRICK GLEASON and MICK GRAY
- On sale JULY 17 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
- Bruce Wayne continues to grind through his grief over the death of Damian—but is Catwoman here to help Batman or take advantage of his vulnerable state?
Sincerely hoping it’s the former instead of the latter. Getting tired of seeing Selina depicted as a ‘damaged’ person who ‘gets what she wants’ regardless of whether consent is present or not. That is not Selina at all.
What do you think of the Arkham City version of Catwoman, and Arkham City in general of how it represents the characters in the Batman Universe? Nice April Fool's Joke by the way.
I haven’t actually played the game, but from the trailers and videos I’ve seen of her online and spin-off comics I read, I like that her characterisation stays true to the fact that she’s astute, intelligent, and skilled at what she does. I also like the design and texture of her costume, which I thought was pretty cool too.
The only thing I didn’t like is that her camera shots are very male gazey and the character is still objectified even in her narrative. I also felt they should’ve gotten Adrienne Barbeau to voice her since I didn’t feel the voice actress for the game sounded natural when she spoke. She sounded too infantilised and sounded like she was trying too hard to sound sexy.
Hi! I just saw your post on Catwoman 18. I haven't read enough about Selina's relationship with Bruce to understand why it was terrible... would you mind explaining for a newbie? Thank you! (And I'd be interested in your thoughts about them getting it wrong the "first time" too... do you mean with the first writer?) Again, thanks! Love your blog.
Hi! Thank you for your question and comments! :)
Since their very first incarnations in the 1940s comics and throughout various media, Batman and Catwoman have always been about sexual tension. They’ve always been a pair that literally plays on the idea of ‘the unrelenting crime fighter wanting and desiring the femme fatale whom he can never have’ that’s very common in many film noir narratives. The difference, of course, is that Selina has never been entirely villainous, often crossing the line between fighting on the side of crime and fighting against it. This is also one of the things that has always been a primary source of conflict between the two characters. Batman is all about law and order, while Catwoman respects the law but also enjoys the thrill of committing a theft and getting away with it, and even acknowledges when exceptions need to be made in ways that Batman does not.
Throughout the course of their history, they always start out as adversaries, often engaging in ‘cat-n-mouse’ (or in this case ‘cat-n-bat’) style chases after Catwoman has (typically) stolen a valuable item. Sometimes her thefts are deliberate as a way of getting Batman’s attention, other times they’re not. Over a period of time Selina eventually starts to lean more towards heroic crime-fighting, though still enjoys a good theft. This development often allows the two to grow closer together to the point of even having an actual romantic relationship, and in the case of the Earth-2 universe, results in marriage and a young daughter.
The consistent pattern is that Bruce and Selina’s relationship is about two people who share the same values but respond to situations differently. Yet, despite those differences, they have a mutual love and respect for one another and over a period of time build a trusting relationship. Even when they can’t be a couple for whatever reason, they still manage to be very close friends who can depend on each other when they need each other the most. When they are depicted making love, it’s always handled gracefully and never in ways that are objectifying of both characters like the way it was depicted at the end of Catwoman #1.
That being said, when Judd Winick depicted Bruce and Selina as the epitome of two damaged individuals who engage in violent costumed sex regardless of whether or not there’s consent present, he got both of those characters completely wrong. When Ann Nocenti depicted Bruce and Selina in both the Young Romance and Catwoman #18, she got the ‘cat-n-mouse’ aspect of their early relationship right at least, but completely missed the mark on everything else. Bruce would never use violence on Selina neither as a way of making a point to her nor as a way of coping with the loss of his son, Damian, like he did in the latest Catwoman.
Dear Catwoman (Or Rather Those Responsible For Her)
Dear Catwoman or rather those of you who are responsible for her appearances in comics. I want to bring a problem to your attention. This week in Justice League of America #2 Catwoman’s costume was broken. No really, the zipper just didn’t work. See:
I am sure you are more than aware that Catwoman is a professional thief. She is supposed to be stealthy and runs with a dangerous crowd. Guns, knives, magical mumbo jumbo, you name it, can come flying at her at any minute.
In this role it is incredibly important for the zipper to work. For one thing, her costume, much like that of her “friend” Batman acts to protect her from all those items I named above. While it may not prevent a bullet it could prevent road burn, an errant knife or other dangers. This is particularly important because Catwoman does not have powers and thus could be seriously hurt or killed given the zipper is open where her heart is. You may remember that at one time a villain named Hush removed Selina’s heart and almost killed her. It therefore makes sense for her to cover up for many readers remember that.
Secondly, Catwoman’s skin stands in dramatic contrast to the rest of her costume. The black costume makes her less visible at night. It’s why most of the folks wearing tights and kevlar in Gotham wear black. The problem is when Selina is unzipped her skin makes her less stealthy and easier to spot.
That’s not good.
I’m sure Catwoman is very comfortable with her her body and may like to show some cleavage. Hey, a lot of women do. No one wants to stop that.
But really the level to which the broken zipper had her showing cleavage was distracting. And not just for the readers.
And I understand that being stealthy and stealing stuff can make one hot. But it doesn’t seem to bother her in own book where she has a working zipper … finally.
So please fix that zipper. She will still be sexy. When Anne Hathaway portrayed Catwoman she was zipped and it was fine.
So far the JLA book has been a fun read. I’ll have more fun not worrying about that broken zipper.
I love Catwoman’s costumes in the 1960’s tv show.
Damian help you sister and put the damn mask.
I still dream of the day Helena Wayne puts on her mum’s costume. Just once. It’s all I ask for.