DC Comics AU where everyone is the age they’d be if they’d been born on the date of their first canonical appearance
- bruce: 75
- dick: 74
- babs: 47
- jay: 31
- tim: 25
- cass: 15
- steph: 22
- damian: 9
Bruce is the cranky Grandpa, Dick is the cool Grandpa.
Plus Ibn al Xu’ffasch, age 27, Damian’s alternate dimension clone who has actually heard of subtlety. Or does his existence make Damian 27 instead?
Helena Wayne would be approaching 37 and Helena Bertinelli would be 25.
what do you think of the portrayal of the batfam member in the new 52 and your opinion of characters that are (re) introduced in the batfam like: haper row, luke fox and steph brown
The current New 52 Batfamily is a shallow representation of all that was unique and interesting about it. The relationships between characters have been cut down in such a way that severely diminishes their importance to one another, and many of those relationships have been repurposed so that Bruce in particular maintains a status quo of the ‘lone avenger’ who rarely exhibits any human emotion, or anything that brings into question his hyper-masculinity. This has happened across two universes, one of which resulted in his death as a married man who loved his wife and daughter.
On the second half of your question, I don’t really have an opinion on those characters since I haven’t read many narratives with them. My DC fandom has largely revolved around Earth-2’s continuity than the mainstream one for the concepts this world used to explore pre-New 52.
At best, from what I’ve seen of Harper Rowe, I think she’s a fine addition to the Batfamily and has a lot of potential as a character. Luke Fox could’ve easily been introduced without removing David Zavimbe as a member of this family, and Stephanie Brown is fun, loveable character, I just wish DC Comics would stop pretending that her past history is irrelevant.
On a similar note, DC needs to stop pretending that other fan favourite female characters like Cassandra Cain don’t exist, or that characters like herself aren’t still be profitable given the strong fan following.
What do you think of the actors cast young Bruce and Selina on the Gotham TV show?
I don’t know anything about them, but I think the casting director is a huge fan of Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. The actress they cast for Selina looks an awful lot like a young Pfeiffer.
I don't hate New 52 Carrie, but I can see how the being "in name only" may negatively color other's opinions on her. Issue #25 of of Batman and... was originally solicited as Batman and Carrie Kelley and mentioned Carrie having a connection to Two-Face. I've seen it theorized that Harper and Carrie were being used as stand-ins for Cass and Steph, and getting permission to use Steph meant that Carrie was dropped.
I can completely understand being worried about DC’s direction with the character and how she gets presented to newer readers who are not familiar with the character. Those are legitimate concerns.
The point I was making is that isn’t a good argument since the same problem applies to various DCU characters, many of which exist ‘in name only.’ Many characters have been cut down in ways that made them less layered and complex.
Admittedly female characters suffer the most from DC reboots, but the point remains no one ever makes those same complaints about any of the male Robins who all look alike and exist in more redundant numbers than any of the female Robins. Even when people point out how very different the New 52 version of Tim Drake is from his superior post-Crisis counterpart, no one ever says he doesn’t deserve a place in the DC Universe for fear that his current portrayal may negatively affect fans’ opinions of him.
On people theorising Harper and Carrie being stand-ins for Cassandra and Stephanie, I can understand why people feel that way given DC’s track record with female characters in general. DC—for the most part—treats women as interchangeable in a way that is never applied to their male characters. They also tend to completely disregard existing fanbases for those characters and don’t always comply with fans actually want. I know this first-hand from being a Huntress fan alone.
If DC did decide to change their plans for Carrie in favour of Stephanie, then that doesn’t make sense because Carrie was already appearing in Peter Tomasi’s book and not planned for Batman Eternal as far as I know. I also recall Tomasi stating a while back that he did have long-term plans for Carrie, though I won’t be surprised either if DC decided to scrap those plans as well. If that is the case, then that most likely factored into the decision to rename the title of issue #25 from Batman and Carrie Kelley to Batman and Two-Face, even remove her from the issue all together.
The problem with the New 52 version of Carrie Kelley is that she's only superficially similar to the DKR version. If you changed her name and hair color she would be completely unrecognizable. She has also fallen off the face of the earth since the "Bruce goes through the five stages of grief" arc wrapped up.
I was not aware she had stopped appearing in Batman and Robin since I stopped reading it, but I suppose that makes sense since this past story arc focused on Harvey Dent. Maybe she’ll be back in future issues?
On the subject of Carrie Kelley being superficially similar to the version that appeared in The Dark Knight Returns, to be honest, the same is true for many characters appearing in the New 52. Many (if not all) DC characters in this newer DC Universe are shallow representations of the far superior versions that appeared in continuities past.
Nightwing had all of his relationships severed in the New 52 and is a lot less competent superhero than before. Superman no longer has any of the relationships that were important to him for the past 75 years and no longer embodies the best of humanity. Wonder Woman had her mythos cut down in such a way that stripped her of her feminist qualities and was reduced into being Superman’s girlfriend. Red Robin is something of a jerk now and no longer possesses any of the same skills set he had before. Huntress (Wayne) and Power Girl were stripped of their unique personalities and were reduced into stereotypes of women. Jay Garrick is now a young, dim-witted superhero and a slacker, and this list can go on forever.
So if Carrie being ‘superficially similar’ to the version that appeared in Frank Miller’s book is the best argument you’ve heard from people saying she’s an unnecessary addition to the DCU, those people haven’t been reading the New 52 at all. Either that, or they suck at forming a good argument.
What do you think of Terry as a character?
I don’t really have an opinion on him to be quite honest. :/
He was never a character I was really invested in despite finding the premise for Batman Beyond interesting.
Batman/Superman #8: First Contact
Author: Greg Pak
Pencils: Jae Lee
Reviewed by: kimmiecoo
With this issue of Batman/Superman #8 we get a whole new story arc and a new crossover. I am usually indifferent when it comes to crossover events. I see them as mere promotional pushes for…
Excellent review! I agree with many of your points here. :)
Will terry mcginnis be a good edition to the dcu or will he (like carrie kelley) be an unnecessary addition to the dcu.
I honestly don’t have any problems with new additions of characters to the DC Universe. I’m more of a ‘the more the merrier’ kind of lady.
What I do take issue with is DC sidelining and even outright replacing minority characters for ones there isn’t a shortage of in the DC Universe. This is usually accompanied by a complete disregard for existing fanbases for those characters on DC’s part.
On the topic of Terry McGinnis, since he’s a character from the future, I don’t really feel he poses any threats to existing characters in the present timeline. At best, he’s one more Batman in a universe that already has more Batmen than it really needs.
I’m also not sure why Carrie Kelley is considered an ‘unnecessary addition’ to the DCU when those same complaints never get made about Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, or even Terry who are far more redundant than Carrie, who is actually different. Nope, they are often featured in just about every Batman family fanart piece than even Batman’s own daughters.